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Jan Swafford Returns: The master biographer and composer on the Intricacies of the Baroque, and thoughts on his own compositions. (Guaranteed, he has stories about the masters you haven't heard yet!)

Anthony Plog, host
Eddie Ludema, producer
Date posted: Jul 18, 2025

In his second appearance on Anthony Plog on Music, celebrated biographer and composer Jan Swafford returns for an expansive two-part conversation that dives deep into the very soul of classical music. In his previous interview from 2021, Jan discussed his monumental biographies of Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, and Ives. But his intellectual and creative output extends far beyond those volumes, and this new set of interviews explores more of his wide-ranging contributions to the world of music.


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Part 1

In Part 1, the focus turns to Jan’s book Language of the Spirit: An Introduction to Classical Music, a refreshingly vivid and often personal guide to the history of Western music. The discussion begins with a few select quotes that set the tone for Swafford’s engaging style—an approach that never shies away from humor, insight, or imagination. Along the way, Tony and Jan take an unexpected detour into a blog post imagining a conversation between Mozart and Picasso’s Guernica. As the conversation returns to the content of Language of the Spirit, the two explore key aspects of the Baroque period, including figured bass and the challenges of intonation. The episode concludes with a discussion of three of Jan’s own compositions—They That Mourn, Late August - First Snow, and River—offering a glimpse into his creative voice as a composer.

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[Subscriber Content] Part 2 picks up right where they left off, continuing the discussion of the Baroque with special attention to the genius of Bach and the dramatic flair of Händel. This naturally leads into a thoughtful debate on performance practice, particularly the tension between historically informed performances (HIP) and modern approaches. Jan brings his signature candor and wit to the conversation, questioning what authenticity really means and whether the HIP movement sometimes overreaches. The episode closes on a memorable note, as Jan describes the extraordinary experience of holding the original manuscripts of Mozart’s Marriage of Figaro and Brahms’s German Requiem in his hands. And in true Swafford fashion, he promises to return again—next time, to tackle the Classical era through to the present day.



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